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Is Lighter Really Longer?(Written By: ) “Lighter is longer” — “If distance matters, weight matters” — “The Right Light”.All of these marketing slogans are meant to convince you that a lighter weight club will help you hit the ball longer and straighter. A lot of people would assume that this is truebut you know what happens when you assume.
But fear not, because where there is marketing hype, MyGolfSpy Labs are close behind with FACTS. “You mean there’s more than flex?”So after reading our MGS Labs report on, you realized that playing the wrong flex can cost you distance AND accuracy.
You also learned that fitting shaft flex by swing speed isn’t always going to work. Today I’m going to let you in on another secret: picking the right flex isn’t enough. Not only do you need the right flex, but you also need the right weight. But don’t take my word for it. Check out what Master Club Fitter Nick Sherburne of has to say.
Shaft weight and torque make a bigger difference than shaft flex. The general golfing public has been conditioned and educated that shaft flex is the end-all-be-all when it comes to shafts and that simply is not true. The weight of the shaft is going to help keep the player’s swing on plane. Shaft flex has no industry standard. There is no ‘governing body’ for shaft flex that says a regular shaft or a stiff shaft has to be within a certain frequency range.
That is why choosing a club solely based on shaft flex is highly flawed. After finding the right weight and torque, shaft flex is used to fine tune the shaft for the player.
The Company LineFar from ignoring shaft weight, some of the big OEMs have actually built ad campaigns around it. They’ve tried to brain wash you into thinking that picking the right weight is simple: “Pick a lighter shaft and you’ll hit it farther,” they claim, “and stronger players should play heavier shafts.” Now if you’ve been paying any attention to our Labs, you know things are rarely that cut-and-dry.So what’s the truth?
We hit the range with our band of testers to find out. HOW WE TESTEDFor this test, we had golfers test drivers with shafts weighing 55 grams and 75 grams. The golfer was able to choose whether they wanted stiff or regular flex. Every player used the exact same head: a 10.5. To keep the testers from knowing what shaft they were testing, supplied blacked out shafts with no distinguishing marks (I marked the grips so that I would know which shaft was which). The shafts were the same torque, flex, and bend profile, the only difference was weight.
FlightScope X2 Launch MonitorEach golfer hit 10 shots with each shaft and the results were measured by our launch monitor. All testing was done at the range at.There’s a famous story (at least in golf nerd circles) about Tiger Woods testing drivers with Nike: Tiger hit 4 different drivers and said, “I like the heavy one.” The Nike engineers were baffled as all three clubs were designed to be identical. They took the clubs back to the lab and found that the “heavy one” was heavierby the equivalent of two cotton balls. Our test group can’t be said to possess the same sensitivity: of our five testers, only one correctly guessed what we were testing and which shaft was heavier.
That doesn’t mean they didn’t notice differences. One said that the heavier shaft felt stiffer.
Another flatly said he didn’t like the lighter shaft, he just couldn’t figure out why.While our testers couldn’t necessarily put their finger on what was different, there can be no question that their swings were impacted by the change in weight. Here’s what we saw: (The Data) – Lighter (vs) Heavier Shafts. AnalysisHopefully we can all agree at this point that shaft weight can have a big impact on ball flight. For some of our players, that difference was in distance (23 yards for tester #1), for others it was accuracy and dispersion (see Tester #4’s 36 yard dispersion improvement above), and others simply showed an improvement in consistency.Now let’s check back in with that Company Line about lighter shafts for slower swingers and heavier shafts for stronger players. Yup, totally true if Tester #1 wants to give up 23 yardsand Tester #3 wants to hit it further offline and give up 26 yards of carry.What I hope you’re starting to see is that, just like golf itself, fitting is not easy. There are no shortcuts and the little bits of “common knowledge” are, more often than not, a bunch of bulls.So please, get your clubs fit.
At a very minimum, test an ultralight shaft, a mid-weight shaft, and something heavy. See if you have a strong preference for the way one feels versus the others, or, if you, like some of our testers, can find a marked performance benefit by going lighter or heavier with your shaft selection. But please, don’t play the stock shaft unless it’s a good fit for you. I really dig this article – What most players don’t realize either is that the vast majority of “box stores” like Galaxy and such don’t have enough options to properly fit a player. Nor do they subscribe to any type of golf club fitting mantra other than “get a sale out the door”.
Case in point, i took my M1 to the store this weekend in hopes i could find something to beat it. I fit this shaft from available options. I walk in and they have 2 or 3 shaft options at most for each club. I said i wanted lightweight regular with 4.0 Tq or around there.
They have nothing. He was convinced i should have been in a stiff too because my clubhead is 108mph.
It’s very easy to get caught up in rules of thumb. One thing that I didn’t see anyone mention is that different driver heads will have different wieights.
If you are going around spending 200 on club after club it is like playing the slot machines hoping all three will line up 7’s. I had a rocketballz driver that I averaged 230-250 stiff flex stock shaft. It also has a wight in the bottom of the head that you can change to make it heavier or lighter. I never did this but I could see the benefit.
I now have a cobra bio cell driver with a seemingly really heavy x-stiff shaft of 66g. But there seems to be no weight in the club head to balance it. I am rarely draw or fade it but i lost 20 yds total and am at 210-230. Mainly because the Driver is really spinning the ball. I had a simulator estimate spin at around 5,000 rpm.
The club pro said the machine was fairly accurate. So in theory a lighter shaft will help balance the club to give me a more confident swing. Stiff flex and more butt flex instead of tip flex will help kill the spin. All in all its about what makes you comfortable. I have a knockoff club head that is weighted like a hybrid the shaft is regular flex,light, and is really whippy. It feels nice to me. Other people have told me that feels horrible how can you even make contact.
I almost gave up golf because I couldn’t consistently hit my driver. I tried different drivers with different flexes (stiff and regular) but it didn’t make a difference. What I didn’t know is that all of these drivers had stock shafts that were well under 60 grams.It wasn’t until I stumbled across a driver with a non-stock shaft that weight 67 grams and it transformed my game.Even though my speed is moderate (I average 230-240 yards off the tee), I have a very difficult time keeping a light weight shaft on plane. I might be giving up 1 or 2 mph in swing speed with a mid weight shaft, but I’m able to make solid contact and it just “feels right”.Thanks for the excellent write-up. Not all of us benefit from these extremely light shafts.
I was using a 60 gram matrix shaft for 2 years and consistently carried 270 with a total of around 300. I switched to an Aldila Proto by-you with a 70 gram shaft and a lower torque with a mid launch.
My carry dropped about 20 yards but my total distance improved by 10. Of course there’s the random swings where it can total 260 or 320 but it’s mostly consistent. I’ve found the torque and flight affect more than the shaft weight. Lower torque equaled lower ball flight but the ball rolled forever. Just my two cents. Kelprod,I’ll start out by being a stickler: there is no side spin, only axis tilt.
The ball can only spin in one direction at a time; it curves because the axis is tilted.Now, to your question, no shaft can really reduce axis tilt. However, a shaft that fits you well could allow you to deliver a better, more consistent strike, thus producing less axis tilt.The common wisdom is that heavier shafts are for accuracy, lighter shafts are for distance, BUT, our test shows that isn’t always true.
It all comes back to fitting.Good luck finding the best shaft for your R1,Matt. RAT,I understand your concerns, but I would make a couple points:1) Don’t paint everyone who works in a big box with such a broad brush. There are plenty of guys who work in big boxes who know their stuff and want to help (I used to be one of them!).2) For most people, getting fit for new clubs isn’t something they do often, so you might consider traveling a little bit to get to a good fitter. If you dig around a bit, you’ll find there are lots of good fitters out there.Now, to your question, the whole thing we’ve found is that there isn’t really a good rule of thumb. I would suggest finding a golf shop with a decent fitting cart (for any manufacturer) and trying something light, something heavy, and something in between. See what feels good and what performs well. If there really aren’t any good fitters at the facility, just do the testing yourself.I know that’s probably not the answer you were looking for, but I will not be one of these guys who over-simplifies things for the sake of being marketable.
I respect the MGS readers, so when something is complicated, I’ll tell them it’s complicated. When you’re dealing with all the variables of a human and a golf swingit’s complicated.Best,Matt. I have been reading the posts about shaft length and weight and I wanted to share what I have tried and what works for me. I originally started with a stiff PL Red driver shaft at about 45″. As my swing speed increased I went up to an X-Flex a little longer. I was unable to control it so I got a PF V2, 86 gram, X-Flex and played it at 43.5″. It worked great for me to learn control and continue to increase my swing speed.
I recently purchased a 97 gram XX Flex shaft and installed it at full length so it played about 47 3/4″. This was by far the best shaft I have ever used for control and distance. My swing has gotten better and more consistent, so that helps too, but with lighter shafts my violent swing style does not work. I was at the range hitting balls today and the XX shaft snapped across my back on one of my swings. It was crazy.
I never expected that. Back to the point of my post.
It appears to me that even if you get fitted for a custom shaft you must always re-evaluate your choices as your swing changes. If your swing is set, you should be fine but for most beginners, as I am, my swing has continued to change as I play more. If I would have kept my original shaft in my driver, I would not be hitting my drives as I am now. Do not be afraid to try options that might sound crazy. Do not get locked into a single shaft provider. Do not get set on a certain flex. Do not be afraid to try different lengths.
Like most everything, keep your mind open to the options and trial and error is always a good thing.On a side note, I also added about 40 grams of lead tape to the head of my driver to increase the swing weight. This is something everyone should try if they are having control issues. It helped me a ton.
Matt, Thanks for the very helpful research and for posting comments. It helps to understand that there is no single equipment fitting adjustment that works the same with every player. I have found, however, that slower swingers tend to de-loft a lighter driver at impact more often than they do a heavier driver. Your finding on shot dispersion was a bit of a surprise in that the lighter shaft resulted in straighter shots 3/5’s of the time, especially with regard to faster swing speeds.
My faster swinging clients (100 mph +) have not seen as significant improvement as some of your testers enjoyed with the lighter shaft. Perhaps it’s a feel thing. This study looks to be complete, unbiased and well constructed. However, as with most custom equipment fitting analysis it seems there are more questions raised than answered. While it was thought that a heavier shaft should produce a lower ball spin, this is not always the case. We also thought a heavier shaft produced a lower ball flight; not always.
I would have liked to have read about the different physiques of the testers and perhaps even a bit of swing related information to see if there is some common thread to tie the results. After studying this chart, it becomes more and more apparent that the only way to properly fit a set of clubs is by using an experienced, capable club fitter and a complete set of adjustable demo clubs. In fact, I often wonder about the use of a flight scope vs. Reality on the range. Michael,You hit the nail on the head with, “raises more questions than it answers.” We are consistently finding that people can respond differently to the same equipment, which is why we are consistently preaching the need to be fit.With regard to FlightScope vs. Reality: all of this testing was done on the range with full-length ball flight, and nothing that we saw on the FlightScope was clearly different than what we saw in real life. Obviously nobody can eyeball spin rate to say if it’s right on that level, but the shot shape and distances were all quite accurate.Best,Matt.
My thoughts on driver distance would be this:Before getting fit for a driver, work with an instructor that uses a Trackman or Flightscope. Try to get your angle of attack up as much as possible (close to +5), your swing path to the right, your clubface pointed to the right (not as much as swing path).
Then get fit for a driver.If you are able to get some good numbers you will see much more yardage gains from any shaft change. I think the shaft companies have brainwashed the public to think that the shaft is the engine of the golf club, while the engine of the golf club is certainly the person swinging the golf club. I have no desire for this comment section to turn into some kind of instructional debate, but for the purposes of people having complete information:5.
up is a lot. A lot of people would be hitting knuckleballs (too little spin) with that AoA.Assuming a relatively normal VSP, 5. up is going to require a swing that’s 5. to the right just to zero out the path, so you’re really asking people to swing 7. or 8. right.
Again, that’s a lot.All that said, I don’t disagree in the slightest that many/most people could see more distance gains from improving their impact conditions than from changing equipment.-Matt. RE: Tester #1:He picked up 23 yards with better contact/higher smash factor/higher ball speed and dropping 300 RPMs of spin while using the lighter shaft,As far as adding more stats, it’s probably not something you’re going to see. We put a lot of thought into what numbers to include, trying to walk the line between not enough information and a page of numbers. The amount of people who truly understand all the numbers that Flightscope produces is very small, so all it does is muddy the waters and create data overload for 99% of the people reading this.Again, the purpose of this article is simple: explore the effects of shaft weight.
Our conclusion was simple, too: shaft weight can be very important, so it’s important to be fit. Robot testing would be very usefulif golf was played by robots or if this article was trying to answer the question of, “How does shaft weight impact robots.” Unfortunately for all the robot lovers, neither is the case.One more time: THE PURPOSE OF THIS ARTICLE WAS TO EXPLORE THE IMPACT OF SHAFT WEIGHT ON HUMAN GOLFERS. Period.I’d have prefaced this with, “For the last time” but I know this is far from the last time someone is going to tell us that “launch machine”/robot testing is better.-Matt. FYI, I did these same tests,while being one of the first clubfiiters on Tour, in the late 1980’s.While “fitting” Tour players on the tour for years.
My mission was to discover and catalog how fitting a player could deliver the greatest amount of work at impact- Through dynamics of weight and delivery of work at impact and the assumed neblous term of a players Feel.Many myths were debunked in re: to flex- speed relative to the player’s type of swing, their feel and their release point at impactJust FYI. Nice writeup Matt, and verrrry interesting.My best day of drivnig the ball came while on a business trip using a set of TM rental clubs. I told the guy in the pro shop I needed a 10.5 degree driver with a regular flex shaft. After 17 delightful holes of crushing the ball when it mattered, my partner asked if he could try out the driver. After he too smoked one, we looked at the shaft, and it was an Aldila NVS Xtra Stiff (65 gram if I recall), and the loft was actually 9.5.!! Just goes to show how little I know about my own swing and best shaft/head combo!Haven’t had time to go get fitted yet, but it’s on my list for next spring!! I love your website, but with all due respect, I don’t think the data displayed shows much at all in relation to shaft weight.
It clearly shows the need for being fit, and perhaps that is your only point. But it shows no measurable difference in distance in either direction for heavier vs.
Lighter shafts. Given that is what the club companies are marketing, I think it is safe to say that it is a fallacy that lighter = longer as a general rule. It may, or it may not. You would have to control the test for a lot of the variables that might make a difference and have a much larger sample size. BK,Great question.
Everyone who participated was a 15 or better, but I couldn’t tell you each tester’s handicap.I don’t think you will find a correlation between handicap and the weight that fits them best. What I will say, somewhat anecdotally (though based on a pretty big sample size), is that the lower the handicap, the more they can make any combination work decently. A good friend and scratch golfer who was doing some testing even said as much, telling me, “Give me a minute, I need to figure out how to swing this combination.”Best,Matt. Matt,Nice job here! This test was incredibly relevent for me given that I just had a complete fitting at the Taylor Made performance lab last Friday at TPC Sawgrass. The last two test that you’ve run along with a variety of comments on the inside – guys if you are still lurking out here come on in – we don’t bite – really come to the fore.Bottom line my fitter didn’t like my current ball flight and believed that I wasn’t even close to maxing out my distance given my swing. His solution was to go with less loft (novel for me given the common adage of more loft, less flex) because my swing is 3.2 degrees up and wait for it, an R flex shaft with more weight to reduce the spin and a half inch shorter shaft 44.5″.
The result was that I averaged 212 yards of carry and 14 yards of roll with my old head/shaft combo (10.5 R flex SL 45″) and 223 yards of carry with 28 yards of roll with the new combo. Amazing the different that 13 grams can make. Oh and the distance held outdoors on the range.You just don’t know – different swings need to be fit to different specs and most importantly you need to have that fitting done by a qualified fitter not the retired guy working pt at the nearest big box store – unless he’s a retired teaching pro.Thanks again,kevin. RK,Thanks for sharing your fitting experience. It really does make a big difference, and I’m glad you were able to find more distance.One thing I will say is that the golfing population makes way too much of guys being good players or “golf pros”. Fitting equipment, and, I would argue, teaching the golf swing, has a lot of science behind it. There’s also a lot of bulls.
(which is why we do these Labs). Guys who are good players, “former pros,” etc are just as likely to be full of s. as they are to know something. A good fitter is a good fitter, period.
It’s a specific skill set. Being a good player does not make you more or less likely to be a good fitter.Would I like my fitter to be able to swing a club? Sure, because he should have some first-hand knowledge of the equipment, but beyond that I think it’s immaterial.Best,Matt.
At my local club, I popped in for an impromptu driver fitting after a round that resigned me to the fact that I can’t hit my R11S TP (that I didn’t get fitted for) the assistant asked me what I DIDN’T like. I informed him that I feel like there’s nothing at the end of the shaft, like I’m swinging a stick and that I want to feel that I’m slinging something through the ball. I think the stock shaft is 60grams and I’ve no idea of the tipping point etc. He gave me several sitff flex shafted drivers with varying weights – all about 9 – 9.5degs loft. My swing figures were pretty decent, with my R11s, I had a 96mph head speed with 236-240 total distance, with almost all other clubs, I had a 98-100mph head speed and 250 – 265yd total ONE combo that I hit first stood out – a 9.5 Cleveland with a Fubuki 53g shaft where I consistently hit 102+mph and 270+ total (Trackman).
I even went back to it after hitting the others and it produced similar results. My point is, obviously getting fit works but the fact that the fitter listened to me and knew what to try out – invaluable!